• Benjamin Moses

AMT Tech Trends: All Gas, No Brakes

Updated: Apr 15, 2020

Release date: 28 February 2020

Ben broke his home server… who even has a server computer at home? He’s the type of guy that still uses a camcorder in public. Steve is running on fumes from a six-day business trip to San Francisco and needs a weekend! Steve also crashed the cobot multiple times in the name of science! Then these two blab about the concept of military deployed 3D printers. Steve gets meta with the manufacturing of manufacturing technology. Lastly, Ben brings up somebody with more money than brains that thinks they can 3D print a hypercar.

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Benjamin Moses:          Hello everybody and welcome to the AMT Tech Trends podcast. I am

Benjamin Moses, the director of Manufacturing Technology, and I am here with-

Stephen LaMarca:         And I’m Steven LaMarca, the Manufacturing Technology analyst.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah. Awesome. Today’s episode is sponsored by the MT 360 Conference. It’s a great conference talking about the transformative technologies getting into manufacturing. Pulled a couple of speakers so we’ve got Matt from 3DO, Yasmin from Drive Capital, Rob from Nvidia, Doug from Hackrod. I’m on a first name basis with all these people, by the way, Steve.

Stephen LaMarca:         Wow. Hackrod, Nvidia and 3DEO?

Benjamin Moses:          3DO. And Drive Capital. Yep. Some great companies are going to be talking about a new technologies, use cases and partnerships. Trying to implement new technologies, partnerships, and driving that through different means is important. This will be at the Santa Clara Convention Center May 12th through the 14th. Go to MT 360 Conference to see the speakers and technology in the factory.

Benjamin Moses:          Also, want to mention go mt360conference/blog to check out a bunch of white papers that we have. We publish three white papers, one covering cognitive automation, augmented reality and new business models for manufacturing. Some real good content on there, plus our transcripts and podcasts are also posted in the blog also.

Stephen LaMarca:         Not just SoundCloud and Spotify and iTunes and-

Benjamin Moses:          We’re everywhere man.

Stephen LaMarca:         Or Apple music, excuse me. iTunes, RIP.

Benjamin Moses:          That’s right. It’s dead, isn’t it?

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah, whatever your favorite, latest fad listening choice is.

Benjamin Moses:          It’s there.

Stephen LaMarca:         Is it on TIDAL?

Benjamin Moses:          That’s a good question. What is that?

Stephen LaMarca:         That’s the hi-fi where people can hear our voices in hi-fi, just in case this isn’t enough for you.

Benjamin Moses:          I’ll research that later.

Stephen LaMarca:         I doubt we’re on TIDAL.

Benjamin Moses:          Before we get into the testbed and the articles I mentioned, we talk about technology. I had a death in the family over the week, past couple of weeks.

Stephen LaMarca:         Oh geez. What happened?

Benjamin Moses:          I lost one of my data servers at home.

Stephen LaMarca:         An entire server?

Benjamin Moses:          I’ve got a small network, so I’ve been storing pictures, video. I do small photography type stuff, just personal stuff. I got a 4K camera now, so I do a lot of video editing. Just again, personal stuff. Instead of storing everything locally on a PC, I’ve got a NAS, a network attached storage, so it’s a little server that’s in the basement that I store all my files in. I have an HP that I’ve had since… Actually, had to look this up. Since 2009.

Stephen LaMarca:         Dude, that is an old computer. No wonder it died.

Benjamin Moses:          I’ve had this thing for 2009. I’ve had one drive fail on it. I replaced that drive and that’s the nice thing about… Why I went with HP is that at the time it was pretty revolutionary because the user interface for setting it up, it was very, very easy. It had a Windows server install, but it was set up that you could tell what kind of redundancy that you want and it would figure out the raid pattern that it needed.

Benjamin Moses:          So you didn’t have to specify raid one, zero, five, whatever you set. I would like one drive of backup and it’ll figure out how to do it by itself. And then setting up the drive was very simple user interface. So at the time it was super cutting edge. But-

Stephen LaMarca:         We have raid systems, man, I remember drooling over gaming PCs-

Benjamin Moses:          With a raid system?

Stephen LaMarca:         I didn’t even know what it meant.

Benjamin Moses:          Nobody does.

Stephen LaMarca:         Well… A 2009 computer.

Benjamin Moses:          2009 computer.

Stephen LaMarca:         We think that’s old, but I’m sure there’s some… a factory floor managers, like some shop managers, they’re thinking, “2009 old? We’re still running Windows NT on our machine tools.”

Stephen LaMarca:         I bet you wouldn’t have had a death in your server if you hot glued your USB ports.

Benjamin Moses:          That would have fixed half my problems. The drives didn’t fail. The issue was the only way I could access it is through the network card, that I think the network card completely failed. I can’t access it through USB or any other physical means.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay.

Benjamin Moses:          So it’s completely toast. But then we’ve been talking about, I actually posted something a couple of days ago on LinkedIn about backing up your data. It’s not a huge issue that this drive failed, I had 20 years worth of pictures there that I’ve moved back and forth and I’ve stored those over the years. One, I’ve everything backed up to my own server online.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay.

Benjamin Moses:          I have a website that I store everything on. So that’s one backup.

Stephen LaMarca:         The cloud.

Benjamin Moses:          The cloud, the magical cloud. Also the pictures are published to Google Photos, so if I want to look at them, I have a backup there also.

Stephen LaMarca:         I mean, Google Photos is really great with that, too.

Benjamin Moses:          It’s solid. I did have to upgrade because I’ve too much space.

Stephen LaMarca:         Oh yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         Wow.

Benjamin Moses:          So the only thing that I did lost was like my resume, some old files that I really didn’t care about that I didn’t back up. Anything that I didn’t back up, it’s completely gone. Which in retrospect, either I have physical copies, like all my house documents, stuff like that, that’s in a drawer somewhere. I should put those in a safe, but I lost a bunch of that and then all the photos and stuff like that, that was backed up. So it was an interesting dilemma I face as a home network engineer, so it was interesting.

Benjamin Moses:          But it was also carried over to my trip to SeaWorld. I went to San Diego a couple of weeks ago to visit my brother. He had a kid over the new year. So I took the family, my parents dragged them along. I regret every decision that involved getting there. So I’m in SeaWorld, hanging out with the family and I reached in my backpack and I bust out my camcorder. Emile’s doing something cool, I’m like, “Let’s videotape this.” I look around, look to my left, look to my right. It’s a 4K camera. It’s a little handheld guy, right?

Stephen LaMarca:         Right.

Benjamin Moses:          It has a little pop out screen.

Stephen LaMarca:         It’s the latest technology.

Benjamin Moses:          A big one inch sensor because it’s going to do great in low light. I’m the only one, the entire park. I’ve walked on the entire park the whole day from 9:00 AM until 6:00 PM when we had to go for dinner.

Stephen LaMarca:         Everybody’s just got the iPhones with the four cameras on the front of it.

Benjamin Moses:          I was the only one with a camcorder. I was looking around. I was like, “Man shit, is it time to let this thing go? Are we at the stage where I am no longer relevant because I’m buying a camcorder?” And I did have my big giant digital SLR also.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          It’s bigger now because it has an expansion [inaudible 00:06:23] for vertical grip and it’s got dual batteries. So I whip that out every once in a while, I’ll take some pictures of Emile getting face painted and stuff.

Stephen LaMarca:         Right.

Benjamin Moses:          Pictures are great. Pictures are amazing. I’ll do some home editing, like touch them up, give some better color. And even with the camcorder shooting 4K at 60 frames per second, I’ve got some great color, a hundred megabits per second. Great quality. But I’m the only one with this kind of equipment there.

Stephen LaMarca:         Well, form of factors change, man.

Benjamin Moses:          Form has changed.

Stephen LaMarca:         I still laugh at people who keep an iPad on them and take family photos with an iPad.

Benjamin Moses:          At graduation, you see a tablet.

Stephen LaMarca:         Everybody line up. Let me hold this lunch tray up.

Benjamin Moses:          Is that the flap hanging around there?

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah, but so I was just in San Francisco with Jules, Adam, and their film crew. We went to the Autodesk San Francisco technology center and it was awesome. We talked some really cool people, but I’m looking at our AV crew’s film equipment, their cameras and stuff. And cameras do not look like they used to.

Benjamin Moses:          No, they’ve changed quite a bit.

Stephen LaMarca:         When you picture… I’m sure if you went into your phone and typed in, “camera,” into your emoji search, you’d have a still camera that looks like an old school Kodak or whatever. And then a movie camera-

Benjamin Moses:          Like a shoulder mount.

Stephen LaMarca:         That has like that jet funnel looking like a lens on the end of it. And then the two spools of film on top of it. Cameras don’t look like that anymore, man. It’s like a black box with this square sensor in the middle that you have to cover up with… And only after you put a $2,500 lens on it does it start to, “Oh, that might be a camera.”

Benjamin Moses:          Yes.

Stephen LaMarca:         Except instead of a flash, now you have a microphone, a little boom on it and it’s like, “That’s a film camera.”

Benjamin Moses:          It’s changed quite a bit. Just going straight to the sensor.

Stephen LaMarca:         And then when you sent me that Linus Tech Tips video of them liquid cooling that RED, I didn’t even know that was a camera, that looks like a black box. I don’t know what that thing does. But now it’s the hottest 4K camera. Everybody and their mother wants that likes AV.

Benjamin Moses:          I don’t know how they afford it. That RED camera’s so expensive. All the accessories are expensive, too.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah, I think bare bones, I was asking the film crew while we were out there like, “How much does one of those run?” And because my buddy films 4K from his drone every now and then and his gaming PC, which is not a cheap one, his gaming PC, when he’s doing 4K video editing is on the brink of overheating every time he’s doing it.

Stephen LaMarca:         And so that’s got to be an expensive piece of kit. And they’re like, “Let’s put it this way, a basic bare bones RED camera with no attachments, no accessories, might not even come with an enclosure,” it might just be… Apparently they sell the motherboard of a camera.

Benjamin Moses:          Just the sensor.

Stephen LaMarca:         Just that is like $13,000. And then you start tacking things onto it-

Benjamin Moses:          You get to $20,000 real quick.

Stephen LaMarca:         $20,000 is what you’re looking to spend on just a functional camera.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         That’s absurd, man.

Benjamin Moses:          That’s crazy. All right. We should spin off another podcast about AV equipment.

Stephen LaMarca:         I don’t know enough.

Benjamin Moses:          Get on B&H Photo. I’m sure they’ve got a podcast.

Stephen LaMarca:         Then again, I don’t know much about this stuff either, but let’s go on.

Benjamin Moses:          Let’s talk about the testbed.

Stephen LaMarca:         The test bed. Okay. So last week, I experimented with the collision detection.

Benjamin Moses:          Okay.

Stephen LaMarca:         There’s six settings on the collision detection. And I know my hand is holding up five fingers right now, mostly because I don’t have a sixth one, but-

Benjamin Moses:          You should work on that.

Stephen LaMarca:         That sixth one doesn’t really matter because there’s really only five collision detection settings. There’s one through five sensitivity. So five been the most sensitive, one being the least sensitive, and zero being off. We don’t need collision detection.

Benjamin Moses:          It’s in the fine print.

Stephen LaMarca:         And it is in the fine print because the co-bot is still by definition, without collision detection on, is still a collaborative robot because it does not exceed 15 Newtons of force at any time.

Benjamin Moses:          Awesome.

Stephen LaMarca:         And at any joint.

Benjamin Moses:          Right.

Stephen LaMarca:         So it does follow that fine print. So we were playing with it and at first, Tim came over-

Benjamin Moses:          Tried to hit him with the robot.

Stephen LaMarca:         Oh, yeah. He’s like, “Now move it as fast as you can into my hand.” And I do that and I was adjusting the wrong setting at first. I was adjusting the teach sensitivity and collision sensitivity was still at zero, turned off. And I’m like, “It should feel different now. It shouldn’t stop.” And Tim was just really-

Benjamin Moses:          Just given it to it.

Stephen LaMarca:         Giving the robot the business. And I’ll let Tim do that. I mean, it came out of his budget. So if the robot breaks, it’s going to be on his account.

Benjamin Moses:          Yes.

Stephen LaMarca:         So, he’s like, “I don’t think it’s stopping.” And I hear the robot squealing, the servo drives are going crazy. It’s like, “Oh, I adjusted the wrong setting.” Let’s try this. And it’s like, “Okay, now it’s a lot weaker. Now it requires no force to stop the robot,” and now it will stop but it requires a lot more. And then off it’s going to try to keep going.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         And if it can’t, if it decides it can’t or it doesn’t see its position change enough, then it throws a warning that says something is wrong.

Benjamin Moses:          And then it stops.

Stephen LaMarca:         It doesn’t think it’s a collision because collision detection is not on. So that was really cool. And my initial thought with the collision detection was, “When we’re using the robot, it’s an expensive piece of technology and humans are even more expensive than robots. We wouldn’t want to hurt a human. Why don’t we just keep collision detection up at maximum sensitivity all the time?”

Benjamin Moses:          That makes sense.

Stephen LaMarca:         And then I realized just doing something, just moving the arm really fast at max speed around and getting to some wild positions, I click and hold initial position go, and it accelerates as fast as it can to its initial position, but it doesn’t even make it an inch and it totally halts and kind of droops down indicating that it thinks it hit something.

Benjamin Moses:          Oh, okay. Gotcha.

Stephen LaMarca:         And I check the a window on the computer, the user interface, the HMI, and it says to me, essentially, “collision detection. We detected a collision,” and I think, “Oh, let’s clear it and try that again.” And I move it again. It accelerates really quick, only moves about an inch or two and stops. The Same thing happens again. It’s like, “Maybe I need to turn down the collision detection sensitivity,” and then that’s when it hits me. You would move the robot as fast as possible at maximum speed when you don’t need to worry about anything breaking, when you’re not around anything, when you don’t need to be careful.

Benjamin Moses:          Like a rapid position move on and [crosstalk 00:13:39].

Stephen LaMarca:         Exactly. You don’t need to worry about collision. So don’t even use collision detection in that case. But the second you’re doing something careful, you want to move the robot as slowly as possible and if it does hit something, you want to know immediately. So that’s when you crank up the collision detection.

Benjamin Moses:          Gotcha.

Stephen LaMarca:         And that’s when I realized, “Okay, that’s why there’s settings and that’s why you don’t want to have it as maximum sensitivity all the time.” So I’m leaving its default setting as three, right in the middle. It’s not going to interfere with any rapid movement, but at the same time it won’t take too much force to stop the robot from doing something potentially harmful.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         Like if I’m moving it and I’m not looking, three is going to be a good setting.

Benjamin Moses:          And plus all the materials that we’re using and interfacing to the Pocket NC, there’s reasonable give in the whole system that nothing will be damaged beyond catastrophe.

Stephen LaMarca:         So the whole point I’m trying to get at and say much cleaner is the way that you would adjust the speed of the robot, you would adjust the collision sensitivity inversely proportional to the speed.

Benjamin Moses:          So faster, less…

Stephen LaMarca:         Faster robot, less sensitivity.

Benjamin Moses:          Awesome.

Stephen LaMarca:         Slower robot, very high sensitivity. And it sounds a little counterintuitive but the truth is, when you’re moving slow, that’s when you’re being careful and when you’re being careful is when you want the collision detection to be as sensitive as possible.

Benjamin Moses:          That’s a good learning-

Stephen LaMarca:         And that was basically the long winded. There was only two pictures in the testbed update, but it was really long winded. I put a lot of text into that. So that was the first thing.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah, what’s coming up next? That was a good experiment. Also, I just want to point out that you did label the axes, that was a good lesson learned from the Pocket NC that there’s a lot of joints on that arm and when you’re either manual methoding or doing it from the computer, it’s good to know one, which joint that you’re referring to and which way goes which way.

Stephen LaMarca:         Oh, man. And I am actually so pleased that you brought that up, the week before that I labeled the axes. So I just mentioned earlier that I was at the Autodesk technology center in San Francisco last week. I’ve toured through their lab.

Benjamin Moses:          Sure.

Stephen LaMarca:         I want to call it a lab, but what is… Their shop. That’s what I’m looking for. I don’t know why it’s so hard for me to remember the word shop.

Benjamin Moses:          You’re a little foggy today.

Stephen LaMarca:         So foggy. I’ve toured through their shop before.

Benjamin Moses:          Yep.

Stephen LaMarca:         It’s a great shop. But I’ll never pass up a tour, even if I’ve seen it before, even if it hasn’t changed since the last time I’ve been there. I love walking through there. They have such a fantastic facility. But anyway, I did happily notice on this last tour through there, all of their machines, somebody has gone through and labeled every axis.

Benjamin Moses:          That’s awesome.

Stephen LaMarca:         Everything that moves, every joint, every axis. They’re all labeled. And I’m like, “I am not the only one. Yes, this is how they do it. This is how innovators do it.”

Benjamin Moses:          All right, Steve. I figured it out, that’s how innovators do it. All right. When the podcast is big time.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          If it comes from, if a CNC comes from the factory labeled, then we did our job.

Stephen LaMarca:         Man, I think that’s a good metric.

Benjamin Moses:          We’ll see.

Stephen LaMarca:         It’s a bit of a dream.

Benjamin Moses:          That’s a bit of a dream.

Stephen LaMarca:         That would be a good metric.

Benjamin Moses:          I’m surprised how many are not. I guess there’s options that’ll fix-

Stephen LaMarca:         I mean, one of the people at Autodesk did point out, Detron, they do from the factory.

Benjamin Moses:          Okay.

Stephen LaMarca:         They’re that way from the factory.

Benjamin Moses:          Cool.

Stephen LaMarca:         Which was cool.

Benjamin Moses:          So what’s coming up next?

Stephen LaMarca:         Coming up next, Charb and I are… Well, Charb, I’m sure he’s probably started working on putting an MT connect adaptor and making an agent for the co-bot which is cool. But he did talk to me today. He was like, “Hey, this week we should program the robot to do something. It shouldn’t be hard. It really shouldn’t be hard.” I think we can throw away a can, like an empty soda pop can.

Benjamin Moses:          Sure.

Stephen LaMarca:         Have the robot drop it, even without an end effector, end of arm tool.

Benjamin Moses:          Just push it.

Stephen LaMarca:         Just throw something into a trash bin with only four to 10 lines of code. It shouldn’t be hard at all. I’m like, “Sounds awesome. Let’s do it.” So we’re going to try to program a simple motion for the robot this week and we’re going to do it using two methods. Charb is going to use command lines, just use lines of code to program this and I’m going to use the user interface, the software that came with the robot just to see how the two work out. And also to test the accuracy and the repeatability of the two methods of programming.

Benjamin Moses:          That’s be cool.

Stephen LaMarca:         So, we’re just getting onto the extended motion, the prolonged motion testing. But this would be a cool test and it’s comparing traditional code to hot, fresh new software that’s easy to use. So I think that’ll be a nice comparison.

Benjamin Moses:          Awesome. I definitely want to see the write up on that.

Stephen LaMarca:         Sure.

Benjamin Moses:          That’s going to be great. Good, look forward to that. And then now let’s get into some topics, some articles we’re going into. So the first article I want to bring up was the Australian army. They don’t come up in the news too often.

Stephen LaMarca:         The Aussies, man.

Benjamin Moses:          The Aussies, they’re a lot of fun. So the article, is this from a 3D printing industry. So the Australian military is looking to teach their military force, their army, about additive manufacturing. It looks like-

Stephen LaMarca:         Wow.

Benjamin Moses:          They bought a machine, so they have a test where they’re going to train about 20 soldiers in advanced additive manufacturing. So they have a company that they highlight in the article. It’s a one year program. Let me just read the quote here, what they want to do. “This will reduce the requirement to deploy with bulky holdings of multiple repair parts. Hence, increasing mobility and survivability and reducing time wasting for new parts to create greater resilience in supply chain.” In the end, it’s a theory that I’ve been testing as manufacturing at point of use.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          So a bunch of years ago when additive was on the big hype cycle and were like, “Everyone should have a 3D printer in your garage. You can print anything that breaks in your house and then you can fix your car, you can fix your tractor.”

Stephen LaMarca:         Right.

Benjamin Moses:          Let’s pump the brakes a little bit. Let’s figure out their ecosystem to support that for us. So the military is taking the lead on doing that. So what they’re doing, I think the U.S Navy, they’re experimenting with putting additive machines on vessels, seaworthy vessels, aircraft carrier, frigates, that type of stuff. I don’t know if the ground forces are putting anything in the forward operating bases yet, but the idea is if something breaks they can get a repair and that’ll either get them to a base or that’ll allow them to continue working in the field.

Benjamin Moses:          So that’s an experiment that our military is doing. It looks like the Australian military is also interested in doing the same, where they want to deploy additive machines at the forward operating bases to keep their equipment running. So if a gear breaks on a Humvee or a striker, they could replace it.

Benjamin Moses:          It does bring up the second problem with the whole ecosystem of manufacturing at point of use is where do you get the digital files from? Who owns a digital files? Similar to the DRM rights for music and stuff like that. You’ve got a CAD data, or actually if you’re servicing older equipment like old Apache or Harry or something like that, you don’t have any CAD data. So the best case scenario, say it’s a newer thing where you have CAD data, where is that original CAD data from? What was the single truth that you’re going to pull from? Where’s that stored? How does a company that made that design get royalties from being manufactured as opposed to them manufacturing it? So there’s a lot of data issues and commercial issues with this. So I’m eager to see if they move forward to something like this. That’d be a cool task.

Stephen LaMarca:         I think the first move for any military force would be, let’s look at the current equipment that we have now, and especially the stuff that is about to be retired, and find all of the blueprints, find all the paper blueprints, digitize them. And then have a team not only just scan paper blueprints, but then another team of really good CAD operators, take those scanned documents and then make digital twins or 3D models of them.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah. And that’s something we face back at Eaton as converting old files. We did that a bunch of times. You take a print, you convert it to a CAD model, then you have to verify the CAD models, correct. So there’s a whole checks and balances type thing.

Stephen LaMarca:         But that would be the first step.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah. But the dilemma we faced was, is the drawing correct? Is the drawing what is correct in the field? Because you do have inservice modifications, you have production modifications. So going back to the single truth doesn’t really exist, even for a piece of paper drawing. You have engineering change orders, you got minor changes, you have major changes. Some changes aren’t documented from the production floor, some aren’t documented from the customer, there’s a big ecosystem of changes. But there’s already a lot of work being done on that. I think it’s University of Wichita has a really big department that is doing a lot in aerospace and they’re working actively with the military about modernizing [inaudible 00:23:45] and fleet.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          So when they get something in for repair, they pull the old drawings, they actually convert the old drawings into a CAD model, or they can scan the existing ones. For example, when they’re attaching bulkheads and spars, they actually rivet it in place. So if they want to see where the actual rivets are, they can scan the original one that gets converted to the new CAD geometry and then off they go. So we’ll see. It’s interesting times, we’ll see if the materials can keep up with the additive printers. If the machines are resilient enough to be in the field. It gets into the second article that I’m going to talk about, but it’ll probably be after yours.

Stephen LaMarca:         That is interesting though. I was just trying to look up the term for an update to something that doesn’t go published. Companies make changes and updates all the time to a particular product without going out and explicitly saying, “This is version two.”

Benjamin Moses:          Correct.

Stephen LaMarca:         Sony was very huge in doing that with the PlayStation 3. There are so many different variations of the PlayStation 3 all in that original fat PlayStation 3.

Benjamin Moses:          You’ll see that in the version number. So you have a version number and revision number. They’re slightly different things. So if we hear software 10 dot XXXX, the small incremental numbers, those are internal changes that they rolled out.

Stephen LaMarca:         Interesting.

Benjamin Moses:          Once they roll out to a bigger number, like from 10 to 11, usually then there’s a formal announcement on the commercial side. On the engineering stuff that’s well controlled, like medical, aerospace, in some automotive stuff, it’s controlled similarly.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah. Well then it sounds like I may be wrong in the first step being digitize everything. It may just be like, “Get a really good team who can program a 3D printer.” The first step would then be actually get the most durable 3D printer you can make. You need something bulletproof because yeah, of course, everybody wants to just 3D print everything. All of your repairs.

Benjamin Moses:          Right.

Stephen LaMarca:         But the problem is the most fragile part in the 3D printing process is the 3D printer itself, man. They love breaking.

Benjamin Moses:          And I’m wondering also, I mean there’s a lot of post-processing involved too. Yeah, you could buy one 3D printer, but that doesn’t solve your manufacturing problem.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          So we’ll see how this evolves.

Stephen LaMarca:         Can you imagine being halfway through a 72 hour print in the field and then a mortar strike takes place, shakes the hell out of the machine, and then all of your filament is off.

Benjamin Moses:          Just done.

Stephen LaMarca:         These last few layers of the filament are totally misaligned. This could potentially be a huge mistake, Ben.

Benjamin Moses:          Or an [inaudible 00:26:27] drives by and it shakes the floor.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay. So I wouldn’t say it’s a solution just yet. All right. So my article was, I’m loving following metrologynews.com, or Metrology News Today. I think it’s metrologynews.com. They’ve been coming in strong every day with at least one solid article regarding chasing that almighty micron. But the article that I peeped today was assuring OEM machine tool precision. And basically, the author followed this one Russian company that makes 15% of the machine tools that are sold and in use in Russia and all of the Russian States.

Benjamin Moses:          The Eastern Block.

Stephen LaMarca:         The Eastern Block. They’ve made something like 4,000 plus lathes that are super high precision.

Benjamin Moses:          Right.

Stephen LaMarca:         And this whole article follows, how do you determine whether something is super high precision? They talk about ISO 9000, the series of quality standards that say, “If you’re selling the machine to have this level of accuracy or this level of precision, you basically need to do scientific research to say this is how we determined that it was this accuracy. This is the method that we used. And this method can be used by anybody to determine that the machine is still this accurate.”

Benjamin Moses:          That’s cool.

Stephen LaMarca:         So that’s the cool thing about ISO 9000 but the article just talked about how does a manufacturer, how does a machine tool builder, or just builder in general of manufacturing technology determine how accurate and precise their machine is? I found it really fascinating because it was meta.

Stephen LaMarca:         We talk often about how, what a particular manufacturing technology can do, what something can make, what kind of geometries it can work with, but we don’t often focus on, well how does the manufacturer determine that it can actually do this?

Benjamin Moses:          How does it keep his promise, basically?

Stephen LaMarca:         How is it this… And this article tapped into that. It was a little bit over my head and I will definitely go back to reread it, but it was a really fascinating one and I’ll make sure to put the link down below.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah, I’m definitely interested. I’ll definitely take a look at the article and I wonder who the Russian manufacturer is.

Stephen LaMarca:         It was some three word name that was actually in English, but they make a lot of machine tools out there.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah, that’s interesting. That’s good info. The last article I want to talk about today is about a hypercar, our favorite jams. So there’s a new company fresh off the blocks, Czinger is the hypercar company. They have the Czinger 21. There’s a C in the front.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah. Some other millionaire that thinks they can make a car, huh?

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah. So they’re making a new hypercar that’s got a price tag of $1.7 million. So I’ll go over quickly the car itself, and I’ll get into why I thought that this YouTube video was useful, actually. The car is like a 1200 horsepower, V8 turbocharged. They’re saying 11,000 RPMs, which is ridiculous for a turbocharged vehicle.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah., it is.

Benjamin Moses:          It’s a cool layout. So it’s a two seater, but they’re in line with each other, not perpendicular to the car. So you sit behind each other, kind of like a motorcycle.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay. Tandem.

Benjamin Moses:          Oh, tandem would be the correct word. Yes. Thank you, Steve. So the car sounds kind of cool. We’ll see if they actually get into it. But they have their production line set up and they did some really, really interesting things on the production side.

Benjamin Moses:          So they talk about using a lot of additively grown parts.

Stephen LaMarca:         Interesting.

Benjamin Moses:          They have the front bumper, the crash zone itself, it looks like a hammerhead shark in the front. It uses a flat skin, but the inside is a completely unique honeycomb design that’s been additively printed.

Stephen LaMarca:         So it’s a lattice.

Benjamin Moses:          A lattice, exactly.

Stephen LaMarca:         Right.

Benjamin Moses:          They have a couple of… The narrator walks us through a strut or a steering knuckle type assembly or part. So he shows first, it was designed by human and 3D printed, but it looks like they incremented to a generative design. So they talked about the different iterations. He had three iterations shown there and the design time it took to achieve that. It’s a little bit misleading because it did start from the human design part and then iterate over to the-

Stephen LaMarca:         Right.

Benjamin Moses:          It’s probably more of a topographical optimization type process, but it was really cool to see that they had that going on. Also it looks like they stole an idea from Local Motors where they have nodes and carbon fiber rods. So they have these intersection points that are metallic, 3D printed, that accept carbon fiber rods or sleeves.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay.

Benjamin Moses:          So to connect the rear view pillar, they’ve got a lower say knuckle or intersection and that has a carbon fiber tube up to the top structure. So they use these tubes all over the place. So it looks like a race car with the cage around it until they put the skin on top. But it’s carbon fiber tubes with the metallic intersection points. So Local Motors had an idea a bunch of years ago that they presented about nodes and things like that for their manufacturing technique.

Stephen LaMarca:         To keep something as custom as generative and additive can produce, while still keeping it modular. That’s very interesting.

Benjamin Moses:          Yep. So they have these tubes that they can just cut to length and then these intersection points that are 3D printed. So there’s some interesting points there. And then they have, it looked like a ,completely automated assembly line as in they have one set of robots that put almost everything together within I guess the structure of it. So they talked about scaling up and you just duplicate the cell over and over again, which is one way to do it. But it was really interesting. So from the video, Top Gear produced this video and I thought it was really deep dive into the manufacturing side of this hypercar that-

Stephen LaMarca:         I’m looking forward to watching it because I’m calling vaporware right now.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         I mean, there’s a lot of vaporware right in the car tech. Going all the way back to Vector, back with the W8 back in the day, man. But there’s some stuff here, like when you’re talking about their use of additive, it’s realistic.

Benjamin Moses:          Yes.

Stephen LaMarca:         Using additive to make crumple zones, brilliant idea. Suspension geometry, absolutely brilliant and viable.

Benjamin Moses:          And the use of carbon fiber within the structure, I thought it was really good.

Stephen LaMarca:         The motor sounds a little too good to be true.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         11,000 RPM out of a twin turbo V8, it makes sense because from what I remember reading, not in your notes but in the article, I think it was a 2.9 or maybe even 2.3 liter V8.

Benjamin Moses:          A little guy.

Stephen LaMarca:         Which is essentially two motorcycle engines mounted on the same crankshaft.

Benjamin Moses:          But that’s-

Stephen LaMarca:         It makes sense for them to rev that high.

Benjamin Moses:          That’s like an older Formula One engine, though. When it’s that small but-

Stephen LaMarca:         And then you slap some blowers on it. You should be able to… Man, I don’t want to experience that lag. But is this a hybrid?

Benjamin Moses:          I don’t know.

Stephen LaMarca:         Because if it’s a hybrid, you’d have perfect torque fill for a motor like this.

Benjamin Moses:          You could, yeah. It depends on how they gear the engine too. You could do some anti-lag with some premature detonation. [inaudible 00:34:33] But when you watch the video, I propose that what you see in the video is what people imagine the factory of the future looks like.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay, so cool factory?

Benjamin Moses:          I think it’s a cool factory.

Stephen LaMarca:         Some awesome B-roll?

Benjamin Moses:          It’s clean, which I’m on the fence about that, but they have a separate area for additive manufacturing. They’ve got an automated assembly area. They’re using some really, really cool materials. So they’ve got carbon fiber everywhere. They’ve got some real really unique parts. Of course, they didn’t show the machine shop which has to exist because they’ve got to process the parts somewhere. So the video does show just the highlights of it, but if you look at it on the surface for what they want to show, if someone said, “What does the factory of the future look like?” That’s an example.

Stephen LaMarca:         I’m sorry, man. I think the factory of the future does look clean.

Benjamin Moses:          You’re the only one.

Stephen LaMarca:         I’m the only one?

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         I don’t think I’m the only one.

Benjamin Moses:          Well, you’re the only one that doesn’t… All right, fine. You can think that.

Stephen LaMarca:         There is-

Benjamin Moses:          I’ve been to too many factories and know that that will never exist. In a normal factory-

Stephen LaMarca:         [crosstalk 00:35:37] Eaton? That was your-

Benjamin Moses:          That is not clean.

Stephen LaMarca:         It looked clean compared to some other things that I’ve seen. Okay, maybe I should say organized. Not necessarily clean.

Benjamin Moses:          It’s organized. Yes. All right. Do we want to end with your-

Stephen LaMarca:         You’re right, because I saw some startups this last week in San Francisco and it was there was a few clean ones but they didn’t do all of their work there.

Benjamin Moses:          Correct.

Stephen LaMarca:         And then I saw one place that was just like, “Have you guys heard of OSHA?” But I digress. That was a fun trip, man. But I need some sleep. It’s been all gas, no brakes all week.

Benjamin Moses:          It was a hard week for you. Plus you were sick last week, too.

Stephen LaMarca:         I was sick, I need a weekend.

Benjamin Moses:          I’ll tell you what, driving to the left coast is not pleasant for me.

Stephen LaMarca:         The left coast?

Benjamin Moses:          It’s a long flight.

Stephen LaMarca:         I wouldn’t want to drive over there. I don’t like flying over there. It’s miserable. Load up on Benadryl and water and maybe some cold medicine and the flight might be enjoyable.

Benjamin Moses:          Did you take the red eye back?

Stephen LaMarca:         I did take a red eye back. Both to and from, the seats in front of me… No, not red eye to and from.

Benjamin Moses:          Just back.

Stephen LaMarca:         The red eye coming back. But both flights to and from, the airplane was not equipped with entertainment screens. I was like, “What is this? What is wrong with you?” It’s money grab.

Benjamin Moses:          You got an old airplane.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah. I didn’t think it was that old, but whatever man.

Benjamin Moses:          All right. How do we follow up with this info, Steve?

Stephen LaMarca:         Well, if you want to see what Ben’s up to, go to his LinkedIn, and do you have a Twitter as well?

Benjamin Moses:          No. For god’s sakes.

Stephen LaMarca:         You just have a LinkedIn. Go to his LinkedIn. You’ll see it in the description below. If you want to follow me and what I’m doing on the test bed, go to swarthy steve.blogspot.com. If that’s too much for you, it’s also in the link below.

Benjamin Moses:          We’re also published on mt360conference.com/blog. You get the transcript and the audio file linked back to a SoundCloud.

Stephen LaMarca:         If you like what you’re hearing, awesome. Give us a like, if that’s even a thing on whatever you’re listening on. If you don’t like it, write your complaint on the back of a $100 bill and send it to 7901 West Park Drive.

Benjamin Moses:          West Park?

Stephen LaMarca:         You’ll find a big hole of dirt in the ground.

Benjamin Moses:          Bye everybody.

Stephen LaMarca:         Bye.

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